Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/AITA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AITA</span></a> or does the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Fairphone3plus" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Fairphone3plus</span></a>'s <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/battery" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>battery</span></a> tend to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/bulge" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>bulge</span></a> pretty quickly?</p><p>Cuz I shouldn't be on the 3rd battery when I bought it mere days before it got discontinued...</p><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Fairphone" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Fairphone</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NoticesYourBulge" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NoticesYourBulge</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BulgeGate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BulgeGate</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DangerPillow" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DangerPillow</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Lithium" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Lithium</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiPo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiPo</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiIon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiIon</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Batteries" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Batteries</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/rechargeable" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>rechargeable</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BatteryGate" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BatteryGate</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/repairability" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>repairability</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/reliability" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>reliability</span></a></p>
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Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@itsfoss" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>itsfoss</span></a></span> this is kinda unique to <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiPo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiPo</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiIon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiIon</span></a> batteries.</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://ard.social/@tagesschau" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>tagesschau</span></a></span> Ich halte das für falsvhe <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Paranoia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Paranoia</span></a> angesichts der miserablen <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Verarbeitungsqualit%C3%A4t" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Verarbeitungsqualität</span></a>.</p><ul><li>Viele <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tesla" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tesla</span></a>, insbesondere <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Cybertruck" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Cybertruck</span></a>|s"</em> sind schlechter gefertigt als der durchschnittlichte <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Trabbi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Trabbi</span></a>.</li></ul><p>Hinzu kommen dann tausende Akkuzellen an <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiCo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiCo</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiIon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiIon</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiPo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiPo</span></a> - Akkus welche zum exothermen <em>"Runoff"</em> und damit <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Metallfeuer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Metallfeuer</span></a> neigen und schon gibt's nen großes Feuer.</p><ul><li>Das wäre kein <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Terrorismus" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Terrorismus</span></a>"</em> selbst wenn Halter*in dies (<em>unter rechtsstaatlich unzulässigenBedingungen!</em>) gestehen würde, sondern schlichtweg <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Fertigungsfehler" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Fertigungsfehler</span></a>.</li></ul><p>Deshalb sind Teslas offiziell in viele chinesischen Städten und Autobahnen verboten!</p><ul><li>Zumal die einzigen Leute die sich freiwillig nen <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/WankPanzer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WankPanzer</span></a>"</em> wie den CyberTruck oder ein <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Trump" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Trump</span></a>-<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Hotel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Hotel</span></a> geben nur <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Musk" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Musk</span></a>- & Trump-Fans sind!</li></ul><p>Ich halte es für wahrscheinlicher dass dies wie der angebliche <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Anschlag" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Anschlag</span></a>"</em> nur ne.weitere <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FalseFlag" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FalseFlag</span></a> ist, denn für's Abfackeln des Senats hat es anders als 1933 von Budget nicht gereicht...</p><p><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Sarkasmus" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Sarkasmus</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/USpol" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>USpol</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.space/@CppGuy" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>CppGuy</span></a></span> One word: <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Tetraetyllead" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Tetraetyllead</span></a></p><ul><li>But fear not, when a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BEV" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BEV</span></a>'s battery has a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ThermalRunoff" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ThermalRunoff</span></a> (cuz they use shitty <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiCo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiCo</span></a> ( <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiPo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiPo</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiIon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiIon</span></a>) and not <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiFePO4" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiFePO4</span></a>) they'll release a white cloud of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FluoricAcid" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FluoricAcid</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/vapours" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>vapours</span></a> and then start a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/MetalFire" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>MetalFire</span></a> that is basically <em>"unextinguishable"</em> (as in the only proven strategy is to throw dry sandbags in it and hope it glasses itself like the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/ElephantsFoot" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ElephantsFoot</span></a> from <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Chornobyl" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Chornobyl</span></a>...</li></ul><p>IMHO it'll be inevitable that <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Methanol" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Methanol</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FuelCell" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FuelCell</span></a>-based <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EV" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EV</span></a>|s will be the future simply because:<br>1.<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Lithium" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Lithium</span></a> is scarce & expensive<br>2.<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/refueling" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>refueling</span></a> will always be faster than <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/charging" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>charging</span></a><br>3.<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EnergyDensity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EnergyDensity</span></a> of Methanol exceeds that of any <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/battery" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>battery</span></a><br>4.<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FussilFuel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FussilFuel</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Corporations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Corporations</span></a> can simply switchover pumps and flex their <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EconomyOfScale" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EconomyOfScale</span></a> and existing <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Logistics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Logistics</span></a> to flood the market with cheap Methanol <em>even if it has to be made 100% sustainable and without any fossil resources</em>.<br>5.<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EnergyStorage" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EnergyStorage</span></a> is another problem and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FuelCells" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FuelCells</span></a> can replace both <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EmergencyPower" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EmergencyPower</span></a> systems running if <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Diesel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Diesel</span></a> as well as the average <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/gasoline" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>gasoline</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/generator" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>generator</span></a>.</p><p>Not to mention there needs to be <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SystemChangeNotClimateChange" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SystemChangeNotClimateChange</span></a> and that necessitates way better <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PublicTransport" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PublicTransport</span></a>, regardless if <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Trains" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Trains</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Trams" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Trams</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Trolleybuses" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Trolleybuses</span></a> or <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FuelcellBuses" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FuelcellBuses</span></a> (in that order)...</p><ul><li>Otherwise shit won't change.</li></ul><p>OFC what any <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BEVs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BEVs</span></a> won't fix is the fact that most particle emissions are <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/tire" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>tire</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/brake" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>brake</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/dust" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>dust</span></a>...</p><ul><li>And those are inherebtly unavoidable.unless we want to sacrifice <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/RoadSafety" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>RoadSafety</span></a>!</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://beach.city/@pandora_parrot" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>pandora_parrot</span></a></span> yes and besides that I think <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/BatteryElectricVehicles" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BatteryElectricVehicles</span></a> will also die out again because <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FuelCells" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FuelCells</span></a> using <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Methanol" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Methanol</span></a> at ambient temperature & pressure solve the <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/charging" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>charging</span></a>"</em> and <em>"<a href="https://infosec.space/tags/battery" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>battery</span></a>"</em> problems elegantly.</p><ul><li>Also the huge amounts of expensive <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/UnfairTrade" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>UnfairTrade</span></a> minerals like <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Lithium" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Lithium</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Cobalt" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Cobalt</span></a> as well as poor <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FireSafety" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FireSafety</span></a> of <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiIon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiIon</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiCo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiCo</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiPo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiPo</span></a> cells with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiFePO4" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiFePO4</span></a> having noticeable lower vapacity and cell voltage makes it less attractive, cuz even if we assume a mere 30% efficiency (on par with naturally aspirated, fully-mechanical gasoline engines) tue <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EnergyDensity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EnergyDensity</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/range" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>range</span></a> with <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Methanol" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Methanol</span></a> easily beats even the most expensive and high-tech battery cells, including some hot sodium-sulphur cells that are at ~ 400°C during operation... </li></ul><p>Also espechally in the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/USA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>USA</span></a> and other places, people usually choose a <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/car" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>car</span></a> to reach longer distances that have no <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/PublicTransport" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>PublicTransport</span></a>, thus <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EV" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EV</span></a>'s may force them to a healther driving habit and regular stops, but that's seen as really inconvenient because it extends the trip time...</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://m.ai6yr.org/@ai6yr" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ai6yr</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://federate.social/@mattblaze" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>mattblaze</span></a></span> AFAIC it wasn't explosives, but malicious code that caused the SoC/microcntroller to overdischarge the <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiIon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiIon</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiPo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiPo</span></a> and basically not do overdischarge protection...</p><ul><li>And yes, unlike <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NiCd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NiCd</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiFePO4" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiFePO4</span></a>, <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Lithium" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Lithium</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiCo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiCo</span></a> cells are literally exploding if shorted and/or overdischarged!</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://microblog.at/@roblen" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>roblen</span></a></span> war per Software, welche den SoC im Pager dazu brachte, extrem viel Energie zu ziehen und die Batterie gefährlich zu tiefentladen.</p><ul><li>Das Problem tritt bei allen <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiIon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiIon</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiPo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiPo</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiCo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiCo</span></a>-Akkus auf, nicht jedoch bei <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiFePO4" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiFePO4</span></a>-Zellen!</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://twit.social/@jann" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>jann</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.coffee/@MagentaRocks" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>MagentaRocks</span></a></span> shit like this is why <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiIon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiIon</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiPo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiPo</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiCo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiCo</span></a> cells should've never been legal.</p><p>Unlike <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiFePO4" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiFePO4</span></a> which won't detonate even when a screw is drilled through them that short-circuits them!</p>
𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚊𝚗<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://t51b.org/@GalacticJew" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>GalacticJew</span></a></span> </p><p>«Тушить» горящий литий водой незаконно с т.з. химии, но ведь <em>надо что-то делать</em> и вообще <strong>у нас инструкции</strong>? Другого объяснения нет. По аналогии с нефтяной скважиной: заливай, не заливай...</p><blockquote><p>После того, как произошло короткое замыкание, аккумулятор начинает нагреваться. Когда температура достигает 70-90 °C, ион-проводящий защитный слой на аноде начинает разлагаться. А дальше литий, встроенный в анод, вступает в реакцию с электролитом, выделяя летучие углеводороды: этан, метан, этилен и т.д. Но, несмотря на наличие такой взрывоопасной смеси, возгорания не происходит, так как в системе пока нет кислорода.</p><p>Так как реакции с электролитом экзотермические, температура и давление внутри аккумулятора продолжают повышаться. Когда температура достигает 180-200 °C, материал катода, обычно представляющий из себя оксид переходных металлов со встроенным в кристалл литием, вступает в реакцию диспропорционирования и выделяет кислород. Вот тут-то и происходит самовозгорание и ещё более резкий скачок температуры. Параллельно идёт термическое разложение электролита (200-300 °C), также выделяющее тепло. </p><p>Использование обычных средств пожаротушения (вода, пена, диоксид углерода, галогенпроизводные углеводородов) либо усиливает горение, либо ведет к взрыву. При температуре выше 950 °С литий быстро разрушает стекло, кварц, бетон, огнеупоры, реагирует с песком. Литий продолжает гореть в атмосфере азота и диоксида углерода. Непригодны для тушения хлорид и карбонат натрия, поскольку при контакте с этими солями горящий литий вытесняет натрий. Нельзя применять также порошковые огнетушители, снабженные составами ПС-1 и ПС-2, хотя во многих инструкциях их ошибочно рекомендуют для тушения всех щелочных металлов.</p><p>Для тушения горящего лития разработаны специальные порошковые составы ПС-11, ПС-12 и ПС-13 на основе различных флюсов и графита с гидрофобизирующими добавками. Не следует использовать также порошкообразный графит, хлорид лития, хлорид калия.</p><p>Так как литий-ионный аккумулятор содержит и горючее, и окислитель, тушение путем засыпки аккумулятора не приведет к успеху, однако таким образом можно ограничить вылет пламени. Следует, однако, учитывать возможность перехода горения в мощный взрыв и высокую токсичность продуктов горения.</p></blockquote><p><a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/kb" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>kb</span></a> <a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B9" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>литий</span></a> <a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/LiIon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiIon</span></a> <a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B6%D0%B0%D1%80" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>пожар</span></a> <a href="https://cr8r.gg/tags/%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%B8%D1%8F" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>химия</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@Nfoonf" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Nfoonf</span></a></span> wird schon passieren, allein weil <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Lithium" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Lithium</span></a>-Batterien ne Fehlentwicklung sind und die schnell zu <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DangerPillow" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DangerPillow</span></a>|s werden welche dann mit Flussäurehaltigen Dämpfen exotherm durchgehen...</p><ul><li>IMHO ist es nur ne Frage der Zeit bis <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiIon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiIon</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiCo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiCo</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiPo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiPo</span></a> - Akkus wie verbleites Benzin verboten oder wie <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/NiCd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>NiCd</span></a> (als <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiFePO4" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiFePO4</span></a>) nur noch in Spezialanwendungen erlaubt werden!</li></ul>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://infosec.exchange/@catsalad" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>catsalad</span></a></span> Personally, I hate <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiCo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiCo</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiPo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiPo</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiIon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiIon</span></a> cells and the only <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Lithium" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Lithium</span></a> batteries I don't consider an instant fire hazard are <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiFePO4" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiFePO4</span></a> cells...</p><p>Sadly neither <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/FAA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>FAA</span></a> nor <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/EASA" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>EASA</span></a> see it the same way!</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@richardknott" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>richardknott</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@D_J_Nathanson" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>D_J_Nathanson</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://journa.host/@ampressman" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ampressman</span></a></span> <em>pressing X for doubt</em> </p><p>Seen too many <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiIon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiIon</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiPo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiPo</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiCo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiCo</span></a> cells explode...</p><p>Now <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiFePO4" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiFePO4</span></a> and <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/SodiumWetcell" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SodiumWetcell</span></a> / <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Saltwater" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Saltwater</span></a> batteries are safe from thermal runaway but also have lower energy density...</p><p>Personally I assume <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Methanol" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Methanol</span></a> <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Fuelcells" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Fuelcells</span></a> will become the lobg-term dominant option as they solve the charging and energs density problem elegantly by not bothering and instead relying on the economies of scale of refueling...</p>
Y⃒̸̷̝̜̙ͥͥͥngmar<p>With all the 18650 cells to replace, it's time to buy/make a spot welder for nickel strips.</p><p>Any suggestions? Budget is: as cheap as I can get away with and get reasonable welds. Don't need to be nuclear certified. Occasional use.</p><p>Prefer something that doesn't have its own set of 18650s, because what am I going to weld those with when they die :P</p><p><a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/Electronics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Electronics</span></a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/Battery" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Battery</span></a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/LiIon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiIon</span></a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/Welding" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Welding</span></a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/SpotWelding" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SpotWelding</span></a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/18650cell" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>18650cell</span></a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/Repair" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Repair</span></a> <a href="https://social.tchncs.de/tags/DIY" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DIY</span></a></p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://climatejustice.social/@RoterHahn" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>RoterHahn</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://norden.social/@hart" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>hart</span></a></span> leider sind <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiFePO4" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiFePO4</span></a> noch nicht der Standard - besonders bei viel Kleingeräten - weil geringere Energiedichte als <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiIon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiIon</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiPo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiPo</span></a>...</p>
Kevin Karhan :verified:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://climatejustice.social/@RoterHahn" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>RoterHahn</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://norden.social/@hart" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>hart</span></a></span> nicht wirklich unter Bedingungen die unwelttechnisch oder energetisch verantwortbar sind...</p><p>Zumal es nichtmals ansatzweise soviel Kapazität gibt wie dazu notwendig.</p><p>Stattdessen sind die "<em><a href="https://infosec.space/tags/DangerPillow" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DangerPillow</span></a>|s</em>" aka. <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiIon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiIon</span></a> & <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/LiPo" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LiPo</span></a>-Akkus faktisch <a href="https://infosec.space/tags/Brands%C3%A4tze" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Brandsätze</span></a> die nur darauf warten durch mechanische Beanspruchung in Entsorgungsbetrieben Brände auszulösen...</p><p>Und wenn So'n Akku brennt ist dies ein hochgiftiges Metallfeuer das effektich nicht löschbar ist, weil's so heiß ist dass Sand verglast und dann das flüssige Glas wegen der massiven.Ausgasungen von z.T. kochender Flussäure um sich spritzt sodass Einsatzkräfte effektiv nur die Brandstelle absichern und warten können bis das Feuer aufhört zu brennen...</p><p>Dagegen ist nen Dachstuhlbrand oder nen LKW mit gemischten Gefahrgütern ausm Einzelhandel (auch "<em>Wundertüte auf Rädern</em>" genannt) noch entspannend abzuarbeiten.</p><p>MfG,</p><ul><li>FM a.D.</li></ul>
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